It took him much longer to say it than I just did, so the clashing was muted. However, Thom Hartmann is pretty reliable in having no clue on how to speak when campaigning for office. Maybe he’s a little weak on the imagining of oneself in someone else’s shoes, and correspondingly strong on the repeating talking points to oneself.
Hartmann’s observation that you can’t run by going through a checklist of issues (my phrase) is sensible, however.